Health Care Industry Terrorists Using Media To Threaten Americans

It was announced in the AP that the insurance industry lobbyists, who were key players in Washington over the summer in closed door meetings with Barack Obama and the Senate Finance Committee with respect to Obama's health care deform measures that have been progressively coming off the Hill, that the new revisions dropping the amount of penalties for Americans not carrying insurance coverage would result in higher costs (in the thousands in some respects) for other Americans for their existing coverage.

It appears that terrorism upon the United States public at this point isn't simply restricted to Middle Eastern sects, but politicans and corporate lobbyists as their standard operating procedures in order to forment more and more unconstitutional legislation and violations.

Such as Cap & Trade.

Now we have the health care insurance industry terrorists flooding the media waves.

I have news for those corporate lawyers who represented those industries (who are not lawyers at all, since if they were they would see the entire unconstitutional focus of this legislation for what it is), fining Americans ANY amount for lack of coverage is unconstitutional and a "taking" of American's property without their consent for a "product," and a privilege and immunity given to their industry at the cost of the citizenry in general.

Especially since most of those citizens have been funding catastrophic care coverage at the state levels already for literally decades.

And also due to the fact that in those figures that the industry uses, they are also factoring in huge profit margins for their corporate shareholders at the public's expense, and also their diversified portfolios which transfer much of those premiums into some of their riskier investments, such as real estate at the present time, invested in much of the West and Southwest and other areas of the country.

Where many of those insurers are also based who have seen some of those profits dwindle due to the home foreclosure and mortage scams of their also financial branches and arms, the banking industy in which they are also heavily invested.

Just where are these "projections" coming from?

And there lies the rub. The health insurace industry can use such maneuvers because there is absolutly no regulation or accountability of those huge mega national and now global concerns to their rate-payers, from which they do get the bulk of their profits. Not their shareholders. Their rate-payers.

To do their jobs, this is where Washington should be placing its focus. Regulation of those industries. Not affording them, with the now government press agency, the AP, to threaten and terrorize Americans through the media in order to continue their spins and propaganda and thus also create these factions of those that are insured at the present time, against those that are and have been unable to afford their high priced policies for literally decades due to the lack of regulation and accountabilty of them.

Or who ended up using their services, but became increasingly dissatisfied with their products.

Since many of those that are not covered prefer to remain self-insured and not have to deal with the bureaucracy and red tape and hassles in making a claim. Not to mention those that object on religious grounds still to invasive medical procedures being fined if they do not meet the criteria and "approved" standards of any Washington based edicts for their coverage. Such as the Christian Scientists have against many medical treatments.

It is not Washington's job to guarantee the insurers bottom lines, but as a corporate financial industry and product, allow also those that are not living up to those policies which have been sold, to be removed from the market place and fail.

Which is not what occurred with AIG, and much of their failure also had to do with spins, since while the American branch of that huge global health insurer may have been struggling, it was struggling due to the bad business practices of their London Mayfair office from all accounts.

Which was heavily invested in high risk ventures with much of those British policy holder premiums, which is rather strange since Great Britian has a socialized health care system.

So just what type of policies was AIG selling in Great Britain to begin with that caused their eventual financial meltdown?

As has been the case from the outset, it appears that the entire focus of Washington with respect to true health care reform could use a 180 turn in rather than listening and seeking the advice and consulting with the "stakeholders" (i.e., predators on the American public), it should be instead holding those unregulated huge national and global sharks to the fire in explaining just why, after all the years of the bull markets in this country, it is now hiking rates for their policyholders, rather than reducing them.

And maybe due to that huge AIG bailout for the British that the American public is now being forced to eat, and in which Timothy Geithner recently stated that it has been difficult to track just where most of those billions have gone over than 60 billion now to other foreign banks and interests, they could pay off that debt by providing free coverage to all Americans for the next twenty years in safisfaction.

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The Tories In State Government Behind ObamaCare

Below is a listing of some of the state legislators who are also behind the Obama and the federally mandated health care measures now being concocted in Washington, against all the separation of powers, "consent of the governed 9th Amendment provisions," and public accountability and even fundamental regulation of those national and even global providers that such a law or measure would require, and thus nothing more than what I am referring to as the Torie (Global Socialist British Banker & Financier Sector Ruled "Government As God and Monarch") Party:

ALASKA:
Rep. Robert Buch (AK)
Rep. Mike Doogan (AK)
Sen. Johnny Ellis (AK), Member, AKS Health & Social Services Committee
Sen. Hollis French (AK)
Rep. Berta Gardner (AK)
Rep. David Guttenberg (AK), Minority Whip
Rep. Elizabeth Kerttula (AK)
Rep. Chris Tuck (AK)

ARIZONA (High illegal immigrant state, and also with a high Canadian population as second homes or retirement purchases)
Rep. Ed Ableser (AZ)
Rep. Olivia Cajero Bedford (AZ)
Rep. Jack Brown (AZ), Minority Leader Pro Tem
Sen. Meg Burton Cahill (AZ)
Rep. Chad Campbell (AZ), Minority Whip
Rep. Cloves Campbell (AZ)
Rep. Tom Chabin (AZ)
Rep. Steve Farley (AZ)
Rep. Patricia Fleming (AZ)
Sen. Albert Hale (AZ), Member, Appropriations Subcommittee on Health and Welfare
Rep. Matt Heinz (AZ)
Rep. Phil Lopes (AZ), Member, Health and Human Services Committee
Rep. David Lujan (AZ), Minority Leader
Rep. Barbara McGuire (AZ)
Rep. Ben Miranda (AZ)
Rep. Lynne Pancrazi (AZ)
Rep. Daniel Patterson (AZ)
Sen. Rebecca Rios (AZ), Assistant Minority Leader
Rep. Anna Tovar (AZ)
Rep. Nancy Young Wright (AZ)

ARKANSAS
Sen. Joyce Elliott (AR)
Rep. Steve Harrelson (AR)
Sen. David Johnson (AR)
Rep. Lindsley Smith (AR)
Rep. Kathy Webb (AR)

CALIFORNIA
Asm. Bob Blumenfield (CA)
Asm. Jared Huffman (CA)
Sen. Mark Leno (CA), Member, Health Committee; Chair, Subcommittee on Health, Human Services, Labor and Veterans Affairs

COLORADO
Rep. Dennis Apuan (CO)
Sen. Morgan Carroll (CO), Member, Senate and Joint Houses Health & Human Services Committees
Rep. Lois Court (CO)
Rep. Mark Ferrandino (CO)
Rep. Randy Fischer (CO), Deputy Majority Whip
Sen. Joyce Foster (CO)
Rep. Sara Gagliardi (CO), Vice Chair, Health and Human Services Committee
Rep. Dickey Lee Hullinghorst (CO)
Sen. Jim Isgar (CO), Majority Caucus Chair
Rep. John Kefalas (CO), Member, Health and Human Services Committee
Rep. Jeanne Labuda (CO)
Rep. Claire Levy (CO), Majority Whip
Rep. Beth McCann (CO)
Rep. Michael Merrifield (C0)
Rep. Joe Miklosi (CO)
Sen. Linda Newell (CO), Member, Health & Human Services Committee
Rep. Sal Pace (CO), Assistant Majority Caucus Chair
Rep. Su Ryden (CO)
Rep. Judy Solano (CO)
Rep. Edward Vigil (CO)

CONNECTICULT (Heavy Canadian influence and yet one of the original 13)
Rep. Theresa Conroy (CT), Member, Public Health Committee
Rep. Michelle Cook (CT)
Rep. Chris Donovan (CT), Speaker of the House
Rep. Elizabeth Esty (CT), Member, Public Health Committee
Rep. Mae Flexer (CT)
Rep. Steve Fontana (CT), Co-Chair, Insurance & Real Estate Committee
Rep. Henry Genga (CT)
Rep. Linda Gentile (CT), Vice-Chair, Public Health Committee
Rep. Bob Godfrey (CT), Deputy Speaker
Rep. Ted Graziani (CT)
Rep. Auden Grogins (CT), Member, Public Health Committee
Sen. Toni Harp (CT), Deputy President Pro Tempore
Rep. John Hennessy (CT)
Rep. Gary Holder-Winfield (CT), Member, Human Services Committee
Rep. Ed Jutila (CT)
Rep. Marie Kirkley-Bey (CT)
Rep. Barbara Lambert (CT)
Rep. Matthew Lesser (CT), Member, Public Health Committee
Sen. Andrew Maynard (CT)
Rep. David McCluskey (CT), Deputy Speaker of the House
Rep. Denise Merrill (CT), Majority Leader
Rep. Joseph Mioli (CT)
Rep. Tim O'Brien (CT), Member, Public Health Committee
Rep. Chris Perone (CT)
Sen. Edith Prague (CT), Assistant President Pro Tempore
Rep. Peggy Reeves (CT)
Rep. Elizabeth Ritter (CT), Co-Chair, Public Health Committee
Rep. Kevin Ryan (CT), Member, Public Health Committee
Rep. Ezequiel Santiago (CT)
Rep. Peggy Sayers (CT), Deputy Majority Leader
Sen. Gayle Slossberg (CT), Vice Chair, Joint Committee on Public Health
Sen. Andrea L. Stillman (CT), Deputy Majority Leader; Member, Public Health Committee
Rep. Peter Tercyak (CT), Member, Public Health Committee
Rep. Diana Urban (CT)
Rep. Peter Villano (CT)
Rep. Roberta Willis (CT)
Rep. Elissa Wright (CT)
Rep. Bruce "Zeke" Zalaski (CT)

DELAWARE
Rep. Bradford Bennett (DE)

FLORIDA
Rep. Ronald Brise (FL)
Rep. Keith Fitzgerald (FL), Member, Health and Family Services Policy Council
Rep. Mark Pafford (FL), Member, Full Apppropriations on General Governmentt & Health Care
Rep. Elaine Schwartz (FL), Ranking Minority Member, Healthy Seniors Appropriations; Member, Health and Family Services Policy Council Committee

GEORGIA:
Rep. Stacey Abrams (GA)
Rep. Kathy Ashe (GA)
Rep. Stephanie Benfield (GA)
Sen. Robert Brown (GA), Minority Leader
Sen. Gloria Butler (GA), Member, Health and Human Services Committee
Rep. Gloria Frazier (GA)
Sen. Emanuel Jones (GA)
Rep. Sheila Jones (GA), Member, Health and Human Services Committee
Rep. Ralph Long (GA)
Rep. Alisha Morgan (GA), Member, Health and Human Services Committee
Sen. Nan Orrock (GA), Member Ex-Officio, Health and Human Services Committee
Rep. Rashad Taylor (GA)
Rep. Brian Thomas (GA)

GUAM
Sen. Frank Aguon, Jr. (GU)
Sen. Matt Rector (GU)

HAWAII
Sen. Rosalyn Baker (HI)
Rep. Bob Herkes (HI)
Rep. Michael Magaoay (HI)
Rep. Roy Takumi (HI)

IDAHO
Rep. Donna Boe (ID)
Rep. Wendy Jaquet (ID), Minority Leader
Rep. Phylis King (ID)
Sen. Nicole LeFavour (ID), Member, Health and Welfare Committee
Rep. Anne Pasley-Stuart (ID)

ILLINOIS
Rep. Barbara Flynn Currie (IL)
Sen. William Delgado (IL), Chair, Public Health Committee
Rep. Susana Mendoza (IL)

INDIANA
Sen. Sue Errington (IN), Ranking Minority Member, Health and Provider Services Committee; Member, Subcommittee on Public Health
Rep. Matt Pierce (IN)
Rep. Mara Candelaria Reardon (IN)
Sen. Vi Simpson (IN), Member, Health & Provider Services

IOWA (Unbelieveable how many in the Bible belt, no less)
Rep. McKinley Bailey (IA)
Rep. John Beard (IA)
Sen. Joe Bolkcom (IA), Member, Human Services Committee; Assistant Majority Leader
Sen. Thomas Courtney (IA), Majority Whip
Sen. Jeff Danielson (IA), President Pro Tempore
Sen. Robert Dvorsky (IA)
Rep. Gene Ficken (IA)
Sen. Eugene Fraise (IA)
Rep. Marcella Frevert (IA)
Rep. Mary Gaskill (IA)
Rep. Elesha Gayman (IA), Assistant Majority Leader
Sen. Michael Gronstal (IA), Majority Leader
Sen. Tom Hancock (IA)
Sen. Jack Hatch (IA), Co-Chair, Health and Human Services Appropriations Subcommittee; Assistant Majority Leader
Sen. William Heckroth (IA), Assistant Majority Leader
Rep. Lisa Heddens (IA), Co-Chair, Health and Human Services Appropriations Subcommittee; Member, Human Services Committee
Sen. Robert Hogg (IA)
Rep. Bruce Hunter (IA), Member, Human Services Committee
Sen. Pam Jochum (IA)
Rep. Jerry Kearns (IA)
Sen. Jack Kibbie (IA), Senate President
Sen. Keith Kreiman (IA)
Rep. Bob Kressig (IA)
Rep. Vicki Lensing (IA)
Rep. Jim Lykam (IA)
Rep. Larry Marek (IA)
Sen. Matt McCoy (IA)
Rep. Pat Murphy (IA), Speaker of the House
Rep. Rick Olson (IA)
Rep. Tyler Olson (IA), Member, Human Services Committee
Rep. Eric Palmer (IA)
Sen. Herman Quirmbach (IA), Member, Human Services Committee
Sen. Amanda Ragan (IA), Chair, Human Resources Committee; Vice-Chair, Health and Human Services Appropriations Subcommittee
Rep. Nathan Reichert (IA)
Sen. Becky Schmitz (IA), Vice-Chair, Human Resources Committee; Member, Health and Human Services Appropriations Subcommittee
Sen. Brian Schoenjahn (IA)
Rep. Thomas Schueller (IA)
Sen. Joe Seng (IA)
Rep. Mark Smith (IA), Chair, Human Resources Committee; Member, Health and Human Services Appropriations Subcommittee Sen. Steve Sodders (IA)
Rep. Sharon Steckman (IA), Member, Human Services Committee
Sen. Roger Stewart (IA)
Rep. Kurt Swaim (IA)
Rep. Dick Taylor (IA)
Rep. Todd Taylor (IA)
Rep. Phyllis Thede (IA)
Rep. Roger Thomas (IA)
Rep. Roger Wendt (IA), Member, Human Services Committee
Rep. John Whitaker (IA)
Rep. Wesley Whitead (IA)
Rep. Nate Willems (IA)
Rep. Cindy Winckler (IA)
Rep. Ray Zirkelbach (IA)

KANSAS
Rep. Delia Garcia (KS)
Rep. Annie Kuether (KS)
Rep. Connie O'Brien (KS)

KENTUCKY
Rep. Brent Yonts (KY)

LOUISIANA
Rep. Rickey Hardy (LA)

MAINE (Another of the original 13 and, of course, Bush country and borders Canada)
Rep. Herbert Adams (ME)
Sen. Justin Alfond (ME)
Sen. Philip Bartlett (ME), Senate Majority Leader
Rep. Henry Beck (ME)
Rep. Seth Berry (ME), Majority Whip
Sen. Lawrence Bliss (ME)
Rep. Anna Blodgett (ME)
Rep. Andrea Boland (ME)
Sen. Peter Bowman (ME)
Rep. Sheryl Briggs (ME)
Rep. Mark Bryant (ME)
Rep. Steven Butterfield (ME)
Rep. Emily Cain (ME)
Rep. James Campbell (ME), Member, Health and Human Services Committee
Rep. Michael Carey (ME)
Rep. Alan Casavant (ME)
Sen. Margaret Craven (ME)
Rep. Patsy Crockett (ME)
Rep. Timothy Driscoll (ME)
Rep. Robert Eaton (ME)
Rep. Mark Eves (ME)
Rep. Sean Flaherty (ME)
Rep. Elsie Flemings (ME)
Rep. Adam Goode (ME), Member, Joint Standing Committee on Insurance and Financial Services
Rep. Anne Haskell (ME)
Rep. Teresea Hayes (ME)
Rep. Jon Hinck (ME)
Rep. Robert Hunt (ME)
Rep. Melissa Innes (ME)
Rep. Peter Kent (ME)
Rep. Charles Kruger (ME)
Rep. W. Bruce MacDonald (ME)
Rep. James Martin (ME)
Rep. Jeffrey McCabe (ME)
Rep. Elizabeth "Lisa" Miller (ME)
Rep. Wayne Mitchell (ME)
Rep. Mary Nelson (ME)
Rep. Andrew O'Brien (ME)
Rep. Anne Perry (ME), Chair, Joint Standing Committee on Health and Human Services
Rep. Matthew Peterson (ME), Member, Health and Human Services Committee
Rep. Hannah Pingree (ME), Speaker of the House
Rep. Diane Russell (ME)
Rep. Linda Sanborn (ME)
Rep. Michael Shaw (ME)
Rep. Sara Stevens (ME)
Rep. Peter Stuckey (ME), Member,Health and Human Services Committee
Rep. Sharon Treat (ME), Chair, Joint Standing Committee on Insurance and Financial Services
Rep. Richard Wagner (ME)
Rep. Joan Welsh (ME)

MARYLAND
Del. Saqib Ali (MD)
Del. Charles Barkley (MD)
Del. Pamela Beidle (MD)
Del. Elizabeth Bobo (MD)
Del. William Bronrott (MD), Deputy Majority Whip
Del. Alfred Carr (MD)
Del. Virginia Clagett (MD)
Sen. George Della (MD)
Del. Kathleen Dumais (MD)
Del. Brian Feldman (MD), Member, Access to Mental Health Services Committee
Sen. Jennie Forehand (MD), Deputy Majoirty Whip
Del. C. William Frick (MD)
Sen. Brian Frosh (MD)
Del. Barbara Frush (MD)
Del. Jim Gilchrist (MD)
Del. Ana Sol Gutierrez (MD), Member, Subcommittee on Health and Human Resources
Sen. David Harrington (MD), Member, Access to Mental Health Services Committee
Del. Sue Hecht (MD)
Del. Anne Healey (MD)
Del. Henry Heller (MD)
Del. Sheila Hixson(MD)
Del. Marvin Holmes (MD), Deputy Majority Whip
Del. Carolyn Howard (MD), Deputy Speaker Pro Tempore
Del. James Hubbard (MD), Member, Health and Government Operations Committee; Chair, Subcommittee on Public Health and Long Term Care
Del. Tom Hucker (MD)
Del. Jolene Ivey (MD)
Del. Anne Kaiser (MD)
Del. Stephen Lafferty (MD)
Del. Susan Lee (MD), Deputy Majority Whip
Sen. Mike Lenett (MD), Member, Joint Committee on Health Care Delivery and Financing; Member, Education, Health, and Environmental Affairs Committee
Del. Gerron Levi (MD)
Sen. Richard Madaleno (MD), Vice Chair, Subcommittee on Health, Education, and Human Resources
Del. Roger Manno (MD)
Sen. Nathaniel McFadden (MD)
Del. Heather Mizeur (MD), Member, Health and Human Resources Appropriations Subcommittee
Del. Peter Murphy (MD)
Sen. C. Anthony Muse (MD)
Del. Shirley Nathan-Pulliam (MD), Member, Health and Government Operations Committee; Chair, Subcommittee on Minority Health Disparities
Del. John Olszewski (MD)
Sen. Paul Pinsky (MD)
Del. Victor Ramirez (MD)
Sen. Jamie Raskin (MD)
Del. Kirill Reznick (MD), Member, Health & Government Operations
Del. Craig Rice (MD)
Del. Barbara Robinson (MD)
Sen. James Robey (MD)
Sen. Jim Rosapepe (MD), Member, Subcommittee on Health; Assistant Deputy Majority Whip
Del. Dana Stein (MD)
Del. Shawn Tarrant (MD), Member, Health and Government Operations Committee
Del. Herman Taylor (MD)
Del. Frank Turner (MD)
Del. Veronica Turner (MD), Member, Health & Government Operations; Member, Joint Committee on Health Care Delivery & Financing
Del. Kris Valderrama (MD)
Del. Jeff Waldstreicher (MD)

MASSACHUSETTS (And this state already has comprehensive catastrophic provision at the state level as it should be, if any, and thus more accountable for disclosure of costs, and in providing for state citizens primarily as also a more governmental purpose than building the next strip mall with taxpayer funds, and also high Canadian influence)
Rep. Willie Mae Allen (MA)
Rep. Steven D'Amico (MA), Member, Joint Committee on Health Care Financing
Rep. Cory Atkins (MA)
Rep. Ruth B. Balser (MA), Vice Chair, Public Health; Member, Mental Health & Substance Abuse
Rep. William Brownsberger (MA)
Sen. Sonia Chang-Diaz (MA)
Sen. Kenneth Donnelly (MA)
Sen. James Eldridge (MA)
Rep. Mark Falzone (MA)
Sen. Patricia Jehlen (MA) Member, Joint Committe on Health Care Financing
Rep. Jay Kaufman (MA)
Sen. Thomas Kennedy (MA)
Rep. Peter Kocot (MA)
Rep. Jason Lewis (MA), Member, Joint Committee on Public Health; Member, Joint Committee on Health Care Financing
Rep. David Linsky (MA)
Rep. Matthew Patrick (MA), Member, Joint Committee on Health Care Financing
Rep. Denise Provost (MA)
Sen. Stanley Rosenberg (MA)
Rep. John Scibak (MA)
Rep. Carl Sciortino (MA), Member, Joint Committee on Health Care Financing
Rep. Frank Smizik (MA)
Rep. Marie St. Fleur (MA)
Rep. Ellen Story (MA)
Rep. Benjamin Swan (MA)
Rep. Timothey Toomey (MA), Member, Public Health Committee
Rep. Alice Wolf (MA), Chair, Joint Committee on Elder Affairs

MICHIGAN
Rep. Fred Durhal (MI)
Sen. Gilda Jacobs (MI), Vice Chair, Families and Humans Services Committee; Member, Health Policy Committee
Rep. Deb Kennedy (MI)
Rep. Mark Meadows (MI)
Rep. Fred Miller (MI)
Rep. Mike Simpson (MI)
Sen. Samuel "Buzz" Thomas (MI), Minority Floor Leader
Rep. Rashida Tlaib (MI)
Rep. Mary Valentine (MI), Member, Health Policy
Rep. Rebekah Warren (MI)

MINNESOTA (Home of Mayo Clinic, of course, and high Canadian tourism)
Sen. Ellen Anderson (MN)
Sen. Linda Berglin (MN), Chair, Health and Human Services Budget Division
Rep. Kathy Brynaert (MN)
Rep. Lyndon Carlson (MN)
Rep. Jim Davnie (MN)
Sen. Scott Dibble (MN)
Rep. Al Doty (MN)
Rep. Patti Fritz (MN), Member, Health Care and Human Services Finance Division Committee; Member, Health Care and Human Services Policy and Oversight Committee
Rep. Paul Garnder (MN), Member, Health Care and Human Services Policy and Oversight Committee
Rep. Alice Hausman (MN)
Rep. Jeff Hayden (MN)
Rep. Frank Hornstein (MN)
Rep. Melissa Hortman (MN)
Rep. Larry Hosch (MN)
Rep. Sheldon Johnson (MN)
Rep. Phyllis Kahn (MN)
Rep. Kate Knuth (MN)
Sen. Gary Kubly (MN)
Rep. Carolyn Laine (MN), Member, Health Care & Human Services Policy & Oversight Committee
Sen. Ron Latz (MN)
Rep. Tina Liebling (MN), Vice Chair, Health Care and Human Services Policy and Oversight Committee
Rep. Bernie Lieder (MN)
Rep. Diane Loeffler (MN), Member, Health Care and Human Services Policy and Oversight Committee; Assistant Majority Leader
Sen. Tony Lourey (MN)
Rep. Carlos Mariani (MN)
Rep. Terry Morrow (MN)
Sen. Mee Moua (MN)
Rep. Joe Mullery (MN)
Rep. Erin Murphy (MN), Member, Health Care and Human Services Policy and Oversight Committee
Rep. Jerry Newton (MN)
Rep. Michael Paymar (MN)
Sen. Lawrence Pogemiller (MN)
Sen. Yvonne Prettner Solon (MN), Member, Health and Human Services Budget Division Committee; Member, Health, Housing and Family Security Committee
Rep. Roger Reinert (MN)
Rep. Brita Sailer (MN)
Rep. Bev Scalze (MN), Member, Health Care and Human Services Finance Division Committee
Rep. Linda Slocum (MN)
Rep. Loren Solberg (MN)
Rep. Paul Thissen (MN), Chair, Health Care & Human Services Policy & Oversight
Rep. Jean Wagenius (MN)
Rep. John Ward (MN)
Sen. Chuck Wiger (MN)

MISSISSIPPI
Rep. Mary Coleman (MS)

MISSOURI
Rep. Don Calloway (MO)
Rep. Chris Carter (MO), Member, Healthcare Transformation Committee
Sen. Rita Days (MO), Assistant Minority Floor Leader
Rep. Michael Frame (MO)
Rep. Tishaura Jones (MO), Member, Appropriations - Health, Mental Health and Social Services Committee; Member, Health Insurance Committee
Sen. Jolie Justus (MO), Member, Health, Mental Health, Seniors and Families Committee
Rep. Jeanne Kirkton (MO), Member, Health Care Transformation; Member, Appropiations - Health
Rep. Sam Komo (MO)
Rep. Margo McNeil (MO), Member, Health Care Policy Committee
Rep. Charlie Norr (MO)
Rep. Jeanette Oxford (MO)
Rep. Paul Quinn (MO)
Rep. Jill Schupp (MO)
Sen. Jeff Smith (MO), Member, Health, Mental Health, Seniors & Families Committee
Rep. Mary Still (MO)
Rep. Rachel Storch (MO), Democratic Caucus Deputy Whip

MONTANA (Biggest suprise of all, that the Big Sky State and those rebels would be in on this, but then again does also border Canada)
Rep. Dick Barrett (MT)
Rep. Forrestina "Frosty" Calf Boss Ribs (MT)
Sen. Gary Branae (MT)
Rep. Mary Caferro (MT), Vice Chair, Human Services Committee
Rep. Jill Cohenour (MT)
Rep. Robyn Driscoll (MT)
Sen. Ron Erickson (MT)
Rep. Julie French (MT), Member, Human Services Committee; Majority Whip
Rep. Betsy Hands (MT)
Rep. Teresa Henry (MT)
Rep. Sue Malek (MT)
Rep. Margaret MacDonald (MT)
Rep. Carolyn Pease-Lopez (MT), Member, Subcommittee on Health and Human Services
Rep. Michele Reinhart (MT)
Sen. Carolyn Squires (MT)
Sen. Carol Williams (MT), Senate Minority Leader
Rep. Franke Wilmer (MT)
Sen. Jonathan Windy Boy (MT)

NEBRASKA
Sen. Tanya Cook (NE)
Sen. Ken Haar (NE)
Sen. Danielle Nantkes (NE)
Sen. Jeremy Nordquist (NE)

NEVADA
Sen. Maggie Carlton (NV)
Asm. Ellen Koivisto (NV)
Sen. David Parks (NV)
Asm. Peggy Pierce (NV), Vice Chair, Health and Human Services Committee

NEW HAMPSHIRE (Another with a high number of Tories of the original 13, and as with most New England states, high numbers of Canadian visitors and work force)
Rep. Susan Almy (NH)
Rep. Catriona Beck (NH)
Rep. William Brennan (NH)
Rep. Robert Bridgham (NH), Member, Health, Human Services and Elderly Affairs Committee
Rep. Suzanne Butcher (NH), Member, Health, Human Services and Elderly Affairs Committee
Rep. Edward Butler (NH)
Rep. Timothy Butterworth (NH)
Rep. Daniel Carr (NH)
Sen. Jacalyn Cilley (NH)
Rep. John Cloutier (NH)
Rep. Robert Cushing (NH)
Rep. John DeJoie (NH)
Rep. Rich DiPentima (NH), Member, Health, Human Services and Elderly Affairs Committee
Rep. Susan Ford (NH)
Sen. Martha Fuller Clark (NH), Senate President Pro Tem
Rep. Jill Shaffer Hammond (NH)
Rep. Valerie Hardy (NH)
Rep. Timothy Horrigan (NH)
Rep. Charlotte Houde-Quimby (NH)
Rep. Pamela Hubbard (NH)
Rep. Naida Kaen (NH)
Sen. Sylvia Larsen (NH), President of the Senate
Rep. Steven Lindsey (NH)
Rep. Patrick Long (NH)
Rep. Jim McClammer (NH)
Rep. Evalyn Merrick (NH), Member, Health, Human Services and Elderly Affairs Committee
Rep. Kate Miller (NH)
Rep. Marcia Moody (NH)
Rep. Lori Movsesian (NH)
Rep. Susi Nord (NH)
Rep. Jessie Osborne (NH)
Rep. Phillip Preston (NH)
Rep. Robin Read (NH)
Rep. Michael Rollo (NH)
Rep. Cindy Rosenwald (NH), Chair, Health, Human Services and Elderly Affairs Committee
Rep. Trinka Russell (NH)
Rep. Tara Sad (NH)
Rep. Donna Schlachman (NH)
Rep. Dianne Schuett (NH)
Rep. Gilman Shattuck (NH)
Rep. Stephen Shurtleff (NH)
Rep. Suzanne Smith (NH)
Rep. James Splaine (NH)
Rep. Robert Thompson (NH)
Rep. Joy Tilton (NH), Member, Health, Human Services & Elderly Affairs Committee
Rep. Frank Tupper (NH)
Rep. Charles Townsend (NH)
Rep. Charles Yeaton (NH)

NEW JERSEY
Asm. Herb Conaway (NJ), Chair, Health and Senior Services Committee
Sen. Shirley Turner (NJ), President Pro Tempore

NEW MEXICO (High numbers of illegals)
Sen. Carlos Cisneros (NM)
Rep. Nathan Cote (NM), Legislative Health & Human Services Committee
Sen. Dede Feldman (NM), Chair, Legislative Health and Human Service Committee
Sen. Stephen Fischmann (NM)
Rep. Miguel Garcia (NM)
Sen. Eric Griego (NM)
Sen. Linda M. Lopez (NM)
Rep. Patricia Lundstrum (NM)
Rep. James Roger Madalena (NM)
Sen. Cisco McSorley (NM)
Rep. William O'Neill (NM)
Sen. Gerald Ortiz y Pino (NM), Advisor, Legislative Health and Human Service Committee
Rep. Danice Picraux (NM), Legislative Health & Human Services Committee
Rep. Debbie Rodella (NM)
Rep. Nick Salazar (NM)
Rep. Edward C. Sandoval(NM)
Rep. Mimi Stewart (NM), Chair, Health and Government Affairs Committee
Sen. David Ulibarri (NM)

NEW YORK
Asm. James Brennan (NY)
Asm. Adriano Espaillat (NY), Member, Committee on Insurance
Sen. Liz Krueger (NY)
Asm. Joseph Lentol (NY)
Asm. Joan Millman (NY)
Sen. Suzi Oppenheimer (NY)
Sen. Eric Schneiderman (NY)

NORTH CAROLINA
Rep. Alma Adams (NC)
Rep. Alice Bordsen (NC)
Rep. Angela Bryant(NC)
Rep. Tricia Cotham (NC), Member, Health Committee
Sen. Katie Dorsett (NC), Vice Chair, Health Committee
Rep. Beverly Earle (NC), Chair, Mental Health Reform Committee; Vice Chair, Health Committee
Rep. Jean Farmer-Butterfield (NC)
Rep. Susan Fisher (NC)
Rep. Melanie Goodwin (NC)
Rep. Rick Glazier (NC), Member, Health Committee; Member, Mental Health Reform Committee
Rep. Larry Hall (NC)
Rep. Pricey Harrison (NC)
Rep. Sandra Spaulding Hughes (NC), Member, Health Care Committee
Rep. Verla Insko (NC), Chair, Health Committee
Sen. Ellie Kinnaird (NC), Co-Chair, Mental Health & Youth Services Committee; Member, Health Care Committee
Rep. Paul Luebke (NC)
Sen. Floyd McKissick (NC)
Rep. Annie Mobley (NC)
Rep. Earline Parmon (NC) Member, Health Care Committee; Member, Mental Health Reform Committee
Rep. Deborah K. Ross (NC), Minority Whip
Sen. Josh Stein (NC), Member, Health Care Committee Rep. Cullie Tarleton (NC)

NORTH DAKOTA
Sen. Tom Fiebiger (ND)
Rep. Richard Holman (ND), Member, Human Services Committee
Rep. Lee Kaldor (ND)
Rep. Jerome Kelsh (ND)
Sen. Aaron Krauter (ND)
Sen. Tim Mathern (ND)
Sen. Carolyn Nelson (ND)
Sen. Ryan Taylor (ND)
Rep. Lonny Winrich (ND)

OHIO
Rep. Edna Brown (OH), Chair, Subcommittee on Human Services
Rep. Ted Celeste (OH)
Rep. Michael Foley (OH)
Rep. Robert Hagan (OH), Member, Health Committee
Sen. Dale Miller (OH)

OKLAHOMA
Rep. Ryan Kiesel (OK), Member, Public Health Committee
Rep. Al McAffrey (OK)
Rep. Jeannie McDaniel (OK)
Sen. Jim Wilson (OK), Member, Health & Human Resources Committee

OREGON (Euthanasia is already legal here)
Rep. Phil Barnhart (OR)
Rep. Elizabeth Terry Beyer (OR)
Rep. Peter Buckley (OR)
Rep. Ben Cannon (OR)
Rep. Michael Dembrow (OR), Member, Health Care Committee; Member, Human Services Committee
Sen. Jackie Dingfelder (OR)
Rep. Mitch Greenlick (OR), Chair, Health Care Committee
Rep. Chris Harker (OR), Vice Chair, Health Care Committee
Sen. Mark Hass (OR)
Rep. Betty Komp (OR)
Rep. Nancy Nathanson (OR)
Rep. Tobias Read (OR)
Sen. Diane Rosenbaum (OR), Assistant Majority Leader
Rep. Chip Shields (OR)
Rep. Jefferson Smith (OR)
Rep. Carolyn Tomei (OR), Chair, Human Services Committee
Rep. Brad Witt (OR)

PENNSYLVANIA (Another of the 13 and Ben is spinning right about now)
Rep. Mark Cohen (PA)
Rep. Eugene Depasquale (PA)
Rep. Todd Eachus (PA), House Majority Floor Leader
Rep. Richard Grucela (PA)
Rep. Patrick Harkins (PA)
Sen. Vincent Hughes (PA)
Rep. Babette Josephs (PA)
Rep. Keith McCall (PA), Speaker of the House
Rep. Barbara McIlvaine Smith (PA), Member, Health and Human Services Committee
Sen. Robert Mellow (PA)
Rep. Phyllis Mundy (PA)
Sen. Michael O'Brien (PA)
Sen. Michael O'Pake (PA)
Rep. Tony Payton (PA), Member, Health and Human Services Committee
Rep. Joseph Preston (PA)
Rep. Josh Shapiro (PA)
Rep. Chelsa Wagner (PA)
Rep. Rosita Youngblood (PA)

PUERTO RICO
Sen. Luz Arce (PR)

RHODE ISLAND (Another of the 13 but haven't yet researched the high number yet)
Rep. Edith Ajello (RI)
Rep. Joseph Almeida (RI)
Sen. Elizabeth Crowley (RI)
Rep. Roberto DaSilva (RI)
Rep. Elizabeth Dennigan (RI)
Sen. Frank Devall (RI)
Rep. Grace Diaz (RI), Secretary, Health, Education and Welfare Committee
Sen. Louis DiPalma (RI)
Rep. Frank Ferri (RI), Member, Health, Education and Welfare Committee
Rep. Christopher Fierro (RI)
Sen. Hanna Gallo (RI)
Rep. Alfred Gemma (RI), Member, Health Care Oversight; Member, Joint Committee on Healthcare Oversight
Rep. Joanne Giannini (RI)
Sen. Maryellen Goodwin (RI)
Rep. Scott Guthrie (RI)
Rep. Arthur Handy (RI), Member, Health, Education and Welfare Committee
Rep. Joy Hearn (RI), Member, Health, Education and Welfare Committee
Sen. Paul Jabour (RI)
Sen. Charles Levesque (RI), Member, Health and Human Services Committee
Sen. Erin Lynch (RI)
Sen. John McBurney (RI)
Sen. Michael McCaffrey (RI)
Rep. Joseph McNamara (RI), Chair, Health, Education and Welfare Committee; Member, Joint Committee on Healthcare Oversight
Sen. Joshua Miller (RI), Member, Health and Human Services Committee
Rep. J. Patrick O'Neill (RI)
Rep. Edwin Pacheco (RI)
Sen. M. Teresa Paiva Weed (RI), Senate President; Member, Joint Committee on Healthcare Oversight
Sen. Rhoda Perry (RI), Chair, Health and Human Services Committee; Member, Joint Committee on Healthcare Oversight
Sen. Juan Pichardo (RI), Secretary, Health and Human Services Committee; Member, Joint Committee on Healthcare Oversight
Rep. Amy Rice (RI)
Rep. Michael Rice (RI)
Rep. Deborah Ruggiero (RI), Member, Health, Education and Welfare Committee
Rep. David Segal (RI)
Rep. Patricia Serpa (RI)
Rep. Mary Ann Shallcross-Smith (RI)
Rep. Raymond Sullivan (RI)
Sen. John Tassoni (RI), Member, Health Care Oversight Committee
Rep. Donna Walsh (RI)
Rep. Anastasia Williams (RI)

SOUTH CAROLINA (Home of Joe Wilson - Although woefully misled since the Feds have been providing health care reimbursement to emergency rooms for illegals under federal statute for at least 20 years, as this former border resident can attest, although used for the flu more than true medical emergencies, or other medical checkups, when their employers should have to provide this if outsourcing, in my opinion)
Rep. Anton Gunn (SC), Member, Medical, Military, Public and Municipal Affairs Committee
Rep. Jay Lucas (SC)
Rep. Anne Parks (SC)

SOUTH DAKOTA
Rep. Elaine Elliott (SD)
Rep. Bernie Hunhoff (SD), Minority Leader
Sen. Sandy Jerstad (SD)
Rep. Larry Lucas (SD)
Rep. Eldon Nygaard (SD), Member, Health & Human Services Committee; Minority Whip
Rep. Darrell Solberg (SD)
Rep. Martha Vanderlinde (SD)

TENNESSEE
Rep. Joe Armstrong (TN), Chair, Health and Human Services Committee; Chair, Joint Health Equity Committee
Rep. Tommie Brown (TN)
Rep. Kent Coleman (TN)
Sen. Beverly Marrero (TN), Secretary, General Welfare, Health and Human Resources Committee
Rep. Jeanne Richardson (TN), Member, Health and Human Resources Committee; Vice Chair, Subcommittee on Public Health and Family Assistance
Rep. Johnny Shaw (TN)

TEXAS (Another high illegal immigrant state, which also surprises me due to the public's sentiments, by and large, on this issue of health care for illegals provided by the Texans, rather than those outsourcers, although again is New England influenced by the Bush interests)
Rep. Alma Allen (TX)
Rep. Roberto Alonzo (TX)
Rep. Rafael Anchia (TX)
Rep. Valinda Bolton (TX)
Rep. Ellen Cohen (TX), Member, Appropriations Subcommittee on Health and Human Services
Rep. Garnet Coleman (TX), Member, Public Health Committee
Rep. Dawnna Dukes (TX), Vice Chair, Appropriations Subcommittee on Health and Human Services
Rep. Jim Dunnam (TX)
Rep. Pete Gallego (TX)
Rep. Ana Hernandez (TX), Member, Human Services Committee
Rep. Abel Herrero (TX), Vice Chair, Human Services Committee
Rep. Terri Hodge (TX)
Rep. Carol Kent (TX)
Rep. Tracy King (TX)
Rep. Eddie Lucio III (TX)
Rep. Diana Maldonado (TX)
Rep. Marisa Marquez (TX)
Rep. Elliott Naishtat (TX), Vice Chair, Public Health Committee; Member, Human Services Committee
Rep. Dora Olivo (TX)
Rep. Solomon Ortiz Jr. (TX)
Rep. Eddie Rodriguez (TX)
Sen. Leticia Van de Putte (TX)
Rep. Marc Veasey (TX)
Rep. Armando Walle (TX)

UTAH
Rep. Jackie Biskupski (UT)
Rep. Rebecca Chavez-Houck (UT), Member, Health and Human Services Appropriations Subcommittee
Rep. Christine Johnson (UT)
Rep. David Litvack (UT), Member, Health and Human Services Appropriations Subcommittee

VERMONT (Another of the original 13, and high employer of health care industries)
Rep. Janet Ancel (VT)
Rep. Margaret Andrews (VT), Member, Human Services Committee
Sen. Timothy Ashe (VT)
Rep. William Aswad (VT)
Rep. Kenneth Atkins (VT)
Rep. Sonny Audette (VT)
Sen. Claire Ayer (VT), Member, Health Access Oversight Committee
Sen. Susan Bartlett (VT)
Rep. Clem Bissonnette (VT)
Rep. Charles Bohi (VT)
Rep. Bill Botzow (VT)
Rep. Carolyn Branagan (VT)
Rep. Christopher Bray (VT)
Rep. Cynthia Browning (VT)
Rep. Mollie Burke (VT)
Sen. John Campbell (VT)
Rep. Margaret Cheney (VT)
Sen. Matthew Choate (VT), Clerk, Health and Welfare Committee
Rep. Alison Clarkson (VT)
Rep. Jim Condon (VT)
Rep. Chip Conquest (VT)
Rep. Michel Consejo (VT)
Rep. Sarah Copeland-Hanzas (VT), Member, Health Care Committee
Rep. Timothy Corcoran (VT)
Rep. Gale Courcelle (VT), Member, Human Services Committee
Sen. Ann Cummings (VT)
Rep. Susan Davis (VT)
Rep. David Deen (VT)
Rep. Dennis Devereux (VT)
Rep. Johannah Donovan (VT)
Sen. William Doyle (VT)
Rep. Sarah Edwards (VT)
Rep. Alice Emmons (VT)
Rep. Debbie Evans (VT)
Rep. Peter Fagan (VT)
Rep. Michael Fisher (VT), Co-Chair, Mental Health Oversight Committee; Vice-Chair, Human Services
Sen. Ed Flanagan (VT), Vice Chair, Health and Welfare Committee
Rep. William Frank (VT), Member, Health Access Oversight Committee; Member, Human Services Committee
Rep. Eldred French (VT)
Rep. Patsy French (VT), Member, Human Services Committee
Rep. Frank Geier (VT)
Sen. Harold Giard (VT)
Rep. Gary Gilbert (VT)
Rep. Maxine Grad (VT)
Rep. Adam Greshin (VT)
Rep. Sandy Haas (VT), Member, Human Services Committee
Sen. Robert Hartwell (VT)
Rep. Helen Head (VT)
Rep. Martha Heath (VT)
Rep. Mary Hooper (VT)
Rep. Steven Howard (VT)
Rep. Richard Howrigan (VT)
Rep. Tim Jerman (VT)
Rep. Willem Jewett (VT)
Rep. Mitzi Johnson (VT), Member, Mental Health Oversight Committee
Rep. Kathleen Keenan (VT)
Sen. M. Jane Kitchel (VT), Member, Health Access Oversight Committee
Sen. Sara Branon Kittell (VT), Member, Health and Welfare Committee
Rep. Warren Kitzmiller (VT)
Rep. Tony Klein (VT)
Rep. Diane Lanpher (VT)
Rep. Mark Larson (VT)
Rep. Joan Lenes (VT)
Rep. Lucy Leriche (VT), Member, Health Access Oversight; Assistant Majority Leader
Rep. Robert Lewis (VT)
Rep. William Lippert (VT)
Rep. Jason Lorber (VT)
Sen. Virginia Lyons (VT), Member, Health and Welfare Committee
Rep. Terry Macaig (VT)
Sen. Mark MacDonald (VT)
Rep. Steven Maier (VT), Chair, Health Care Committee
Rep. John Malcolm (VT)
Rep. Ann Manwaring (VT)
Rep. Michael Marcotte (VT)
Rep. Richard Marek (VT)
Rep. Cynthia Martin (VT)
Rep. Linda Martin (VT)
Sen. Hull Maynard (VT)
Sen. Richard Mazza (VT)
Sen. Richard McCormack (VT)
Rep. Jim McCullough (VT)
Rep. Francis McFaun (VT)
Rep. Virginia Milkey (VT), Vice Chair, Health Care Committee
Rep. Alice Miller (VT)
Sen. Hinda Miller (VT)
Rep. Sue Minter (VT)
Rep. Mark Mitchell (VT)
Rep. Anne Mook (VT)
Rep. John Moran (VT)
Rep. Mike Mrowicki (VT), Member, Human Services Committee
Sen. Kevin Mullin (VT), Clerk, Health and Welfare Committee; Member, Health Access Oversight Committee
Rep. Floyd Nease (VT)
Rep. Betty Nuovo (VT)
Rep. Anne O'Brien (VT), Co-Chair, Health Access Oversight; Chair, Human Services Committee
Rep. Michael Obuchowski (VT)
Rep. Pat O'Donnell (VT), Member, Health Access Oversight Committee; Member, Human Services Committee
Rep. Scott Orr (VT), Member, Human Services Committee
Rep. Carolyn Partridge (VT)
Rep. Kathy Pellett (VT)
Rep. Peter Peltz (VT)
Rep. Paul Poirier (VT), Member, Health Care Committee
Rep. Dave Potter (VT)
Rep. Ann Pugh (VT)
Sen. Doug Racine (VT), Chair, Health and Welfare Committee; Co-Chair, Joint Committee on Mental Health Oversight; Member, Health Access Oversight
Rep. Kesha Ram (VT)
Sen. Philip Scott (VT)
Sen. Richard Sears (VT)
Rep. Ernest Shand (VT)
Rep. Dave Sharpe (VT)
Sen. Peter Shumlin (VT)
Rep. Megan Smith (VT)
Rep. Shap Smith (VT)
Rep. Robert South (VT)
Rep. Kristy Spengler (VT)
Rep. Tom Stevens (VT)
Rep. Donna Sweaney (VT)
Rep. Tess Taylor (VT)
Rep. George Till (VT)
Rep. Kitty Toll (VT)
Rep. Larry Townsend (VT)
Rep. Ira Trombley (VT), Member, Health Care Committee
Rep. Donald Turner (VT)
Rep. Linda Waite-Simpson (VT)
Rep. Kate Webb (VT)
Rep. Rachel Weston (VT)
Rep. Scott Wheeler (VT), Member, Health Care Committee
Sen. Jeanette White (VT), Co-Chair, Health Access Oversight; Member, Mental Health Oversight
Rep. Jeff Wilson (VT)
Rep. Suzi Wizowaty (VT), Member, Health Care Committee
Rep. John Zenie (VT)
Rep. David Zuckerman (VT)

VIRGINIA:
Del. Kristen Amundson (VA), Member, Health, Welfare and Institutions Committee
Del. David Englin (VA), Member, Health, Welfare and Institutions Committee
Del. Delores McQuinn (VA)
Del. Jim Scott (VA)
Del. Patricia Ticer (VA)
Del. Jeion Ward (VA)

WASHINGTON (Another Canadian border state and whose coveraged doesn't extend to the U.S., but is much influenced by Canadians either visiting or working there)
Rep. Maralyn Chase (WA), Vice Chair, Environmental Health Committee
Rep. Frank Chopp (WA), Speaker of the House
Rep. Judy Clibborn (WA), Member, Health Care and Wellness Committee
Rep. Eileen Cody (WA), Chair, Health Care and Wellness Committee
Rep. Steve Conway (WA)
Rep. Mary Lou Dickerson (WA), Chair, Human Services Committee; Member, Environmental Health Committee
Rep. Hans Dunshee (WA)
Sen. Rosa Franklin (WA), Vice Chair, Health and Long-Term Care Committee; Member, Health Disparities Committee; President Pro Tempore
Sen. Karen Fraser (WA)
Rep. Roger Goodman (WA)
Rep. Bob Hasegawa (WA)
Rep. Sam Hunt (WA), Majority Floor Leader
Sen. Ken Jacobsen (WA)
Sen. Fred Jarrett (WA)
Rep. Ruth Kagi (WA)
Sen. Karen Keiser (WA), Chair, Health and Long-Term Care Committee
Sen. Adam Kline (WA)
Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles (WA)
Rep. Marko Liias (WA)
Sen. Chris Marr (WA), Member Health & Long-Term Care Committee; Member, Comprehensive School Health Reform
Rep. Marcie Maxwell (WA)
Sen. Rosemary McAuliffe (WA)
Sen. Joe McDermott (WA)
Rep. Mark Miloscia (WA), Member, Health & Human Services Appropriations
Rep. Dawn Morrell (WA), Member, Health Care and Wellness Committee
Sen. Ed Murray (WA), Majority Caucus Chair
Sen. Eric Oemig (WA)
Rep. Timm Ormsby (WA)
Rep. Jamie Pedersen (WA), Member, Health Care and Wellness Committee
Sen. Craig Pridemore (WA)
Sen. Debbie Regala (WA)
Rep. Christine Rolfes (WA), Member, Environmental Health Committee
Rep. Mary Helen Roberts (WA)
Rep. Larry Seaquist (WA) Vice Chair, Health and Human Services Appropriations Committee
Rep. Mike Sells (WA)
Sen. Paull Shin (WA), Vice President Pro Tempore
Rep. Larry Springer (WA)
Rep. Dean Takko (WA)
Rep. Kevin Van de Wege (WA)
Rep. Deb Wallace (WA)
Rep. Scott White (WA), Assistant Majority Whip
Rep. Brendan Williams (WA), Majority External Relations Leader

WEST VIRGINIA
Del. Bonnie Brown (WV)
Del. Michael Ferro (WV)
Del. Barbara Fleischauer (WV), Member, Health and Human Resources Committee
Sen. Dan Foster (WV), Member, Heath & Human Resources Committee
Del. Nancy Guthrie (WV)
Sen. Jeffrey Kessler (WV)
Sen. William Laird (WV)
Del. Michael Manypenny (WV)
Del. Charlene Marshall (WV)
Del. Clif Moore (WV), Assistant Majority Whip
Del. Don Perdue (WV), Chair, Health and Human Resources Committee
Sen. Roman Prezioso (WV)
Sen. Randy White (WV)
Sen. Jack Yost (WV), Member, Health and Human Resources Committee

WISCONSIN (Another Canadian border state)
Rep. Chuck Benedict (WI), Chair, Committee on Public Health
Rep. Terese Berceau (WI)
Rep. Penny Bernard Schaber (WI), Member, Health and Healthcare Reform
Rep. Spencer Black (WI)
Sen. Tim Carpenter (WI), Chair, Public Health, Senior Issues, Long-Term Care and Job Creation Committee
Sen. Spencer Coggs (WI), Member, Public Health, Senior Issues, Long-Term Care and Job Creation Committee
Sen. Jon Erpenbach (WI), Chair, Health, Health Insurance, Privacy, Property Tax Relief, and Revenue Committee
Sen. Dave Hansen (WI), Assistant Majority Leader
Rep. Gary Hebl (WI)
Rep. Steve Hilgenberg (WI)
Rep. Andy Jorgensen (WI)
Rep. Frederick Kessler (WI)
Sen. Patrick Kreitlow (WI)
Sen. John Lehman (WI), Majority Caucus Chairperson
Rep. Cory Mason (WI)
Sen. Mark Miller (WI)
Sen. Nick Milroy (WI)
Rep. Sandy Pasch (WI), Vice Chair, Public Health Committee; Member, Health and Healthcare Reform Committee
Rep. Sondy Pope-Roberts (WI)
Rep. Jon Richards (WI), Chair, Health and Healthcare Reform Committee
Sen. Fred Risser (WI)
Sen. Judith Robson (WI), Member, Health, Health Insurance, Privacy, Property Tax Relief, and Revenue Committee
Rep. Kelda Roys (WI), Vice Chair, Health and Healthcare Reform Committee
Rep. Donna Seidel (WI), Member, Health and Healthcare Reform Committee; Assistant Majority Leader
Rep. Christine Sinicki (WI)
Rep. Jim Soletski (WI)
Sen. Jim Sullivan (WI)
Rep. Robert Turner (WI)
Rep. Terry Van Akkeren (WI)
Sen. Kathleen Vinehout (WI), Member, Public Health, Senior Issues, Long-Term Care, and Job Creation Committee
Sen. Robert Wirch (WI)
Rep. Josh Zepnick (WI)
Rep. Ted Zigmunt (WI)

WYOMING
Rep. Peter Jorgensen (WY)

So it appears many legislators at the state level also sponsored by either the health care industries in special interest campaign contributions, southwestern or western border states with either high illegal immigrant numbers facing state residents now job and property losses due to the Mexican and/or Canadian borders and influence, or the original 13 colonies that are also close to the Canadian border are behind this, as this administration and the prior one attempt to spin mimmick our countries government with that of Great Britain more and more.

SOURCE: Progressive State Network

Political Polka: ObamaCare, Joe Wilson and the Mainstream Media

In light of the events with the Wilson incident during Mr. Obama's presentation to the American people and Congress for his health care agendas, it appears that the mainstream media, particularly the AP, are now doing the polka for the policians involved in this incident.

From a report published today by the AP, it appears that supposedly there WAS a provision within that 1,000 page bill that provided for illegal immigrants health care needs, and that those involved in its drafting are going through it with a fine tooth comb in order that those provisions get redrafted and removed.

At least that is what is being told the public by the AP from its "sources."

But what is so incredibly unbelieveable is the inordinate now focus that is being directed due to this little media stunt on strictly the provisions for illegals which were the focus of Mr. Wilsons' little performance.

Since the entire bill in and of itself is so chock full of Bill of Rights violations on the American citizens and public it is quite unbelieveable.

And especially since also there has been for years emergency health care provided by separate legislation for the illegal immigrants in this country.

As a former 45 year border state resident, I can testify to that since when my now 21 year old daughter was four we had to rush her to the emergency room at one point for some digestive difficulties she was having.

And the entire emergency room was filled with illegal immigrants at that time since it was flu season and they were all waiting for their free health care and meds courtesy of Uncle Sam.

We ended up waiting four hours in order for her to be treated since the illegals had priority as we were self-insured at that time, and the hospital was under federal directives at that time to so provide such care since "emergency" was so ill defined and broad in that federal statute and bill (since the Arizona state initiatives denying such coverage had yet to be passed by the Arizona voters, but which also was and has been since ineffective because those hospitals play the system and simply then treat them and apply for those federal monies still available, legislated and appropriated since that bill's passage years ago instead).

Another of those bills and measures that was passed at least 15-20 years ago without the knowledge or consent of the American taxpayers, since the Constitution does only apply to Americans specifically per the Preamble, and those hospitals and health care networks received even public monies and support for their very exitence at the state and municipal levels, and many also receiving reserach and other grant monies billed to U.S. taxpayers.

So it does appear that the AP as a news source is reacting to the Hill's press releases, rather than digging a little deeper as to just how ludicrous that entire performance actually was in the focus of Mr. Wilson's objections.

He's about 20 years too late, and if he is a federal legislator or has been even though South Carolina is not a border state, should and must have been well aware of the existence of this other legislation which already existed and has been reappropriated ever since.

And what a spin and joke, actually, and must have been merely a grab for media attention for both Obama and Mr. Wilson, and to shift again the focus of this legislation.

Given the entire real outrageous and "illegal" provisions contained within it that trump Mr. Wilson's meek and errant staged outrage in their Constitutional violations.

Joe Wilson's Comments: Much Ado About Really Nothing

For Any And All American Conserve-ative Constitutionalists:

All the liberal mainstream and citizen journalists sites today are abuzz with the claimed "outburst" of Joe Wilson, House representative from South Carolina, during Mr. Obama's "sell ObamaCare" message and address to Congress last evening, which of course was really no Congressional address at all but another appeal to the masses for another of Washington's "in your face" agendas and programs at the expense of the taxpayers most of all.

This "health care reform" could better be described as "health care deform" at this point, since most of all those that were consulted were the industry representatives that have thus far created this scenario where many in America at the present time, even if they do have health care coverage, are finding those benefits shrinking year after year, while their costs continue to escalate.

Twenty four hour childbirths and mastectomies have now become the norm, to the point where we now have an infant survival rate that is actually lower than Cuba's, after all.

So has the impact now on quality of care of doctors scheduled for seven or eight heart surgeries in a row in many of these corporately run hospitals and health care networks at the present time. And "staff" infection rates as a result becoming more and more common contracted at those hospitals due to these almost assembly line operations.

Several years ago my brother-in-law went in for arthroscopic surgery due to a basketball injury he suffered, only to have to then be hospitalized thereafter with a staph infection contracted at the clinic in which he had the original procedure done.

During one of the two of my mother's recent heart surgeries, the surgeon involved (from South America) indicated that he had seven such stint surgeries for collapsed arteries scheduled one right after another at the large, corporately owned health care "network" facilities in which he and his megapractice of doctors had contracted in the Southern U.S.

She had to go in for another emergency room visit again then within 60 days since the hospital staff failed to tell her that her recovery time might also result in periodic instances of angina while her heart was re-oxygenating after the surgery, and then failed to give her the needed nitroglycerin in just such an instance.

She, of course, has a publicly provided plan. Medicare. With an AARP paid supplement. But still was not given the needed medications prior to release in order to avoid such an occurrence, which from my research happens in far more instances than it does not.

And due to internet marketing and automated phone call centers and such now with little human contact with these providers now involved in much of these plans, denials of coverage on many claims are now also going through the roof.

What interested me is the reaction of those loony liberals (and I am neither Republican or Democrat, but hold with our Constitution as the true "Rule of Law" and in which it is clear the federal government has no authority to institute such a program at all without the "consent of the governed" in going through the amendment process in order to so do).

Given the unconstitutionality of this legislation at its root, I would say Mr. Wilson's reaction was rather mild in both his stated opposition, and also his choice of wording.

He interrupted Mr. Obama mid-presentation when he was addressing many Americans stated concerns (without also objecting as I do on Constitutional grounds most of all) that coverage for illegal immigrants would be provided.

Which is really laughable in and of itself, because at the present time illegal immigrants already have coverage, as this former 45 year border state resident can attest.

And Mr. Wilson himself should know that already himself. Although, as from South Carolina might now given the enormous amount of unconstitutional legislation Washington has spit out now over the past decades, more and more so though presently one right after another.

After all, he is a federal legislator so should be in the loop, and coverage for illegals for what was supposed to be catastrophic needs only has been provided for literally years due to existing legislation already "passed"

Or if not, the hospitals are getting paid by the feds at the taxpayer's expense anyway, since the new MO appears to be passing unconstitutional legislation in one branch of Congress such as ther House, and then funding it even it it is not "legally" law at all lacking full passage in the Senate. Then what isn't Constitutional law can then still be regulated and funded as if it is, and the bulk of public none the wiser, since most of the lawyers in this country can't understand most of these bills.

Even, it appears, the ones who wrote them.

That has happened with quite a few of these rather bogus unconstitutional property stripping bills as of late, such as the ones now being enacted by the Department of Homeland Security in those Fusion Center Task Forces and memorandums recently circulated instituting the domestic spying programs on lawful Americans according to political profiling.

So this "new" reform obviously is not precluding in any manner that free coverage which is already given to those illegals, and has been for years. All state measures and ballot initiatives to the contrary, it is a federal law that provides such benefits to those who are non-Americans in emergency room visits and treatments.

And those corporate health care networks get paid quite handsomely for those visits, of course courtesy of the American taxpayers who are then billed for those services and visits.

Not their employers, who are paying in most instances below standard wages for their services, saving on state workmen's comp taxation, and then having the Americans whose jobs they have replaced picking up the tab for their "employment benefits" in health care needs for those employees while in this country, many not even holding those massive temporary work visas Washington hands out nowadays like candy at the mere request of the states, or their campaign backers.

Who, by the way, are just as much to blame, many of which now are pleading poverty and bankruptcy as California and Arizona have this past year, two states with an inordinate amount of illegal workers to begin with due to the "petitions" they rush off to Washington for increases in those visas each and every legislative session for their state campaign backers benefits.

In many states, it has gotten to the point where it has adversely affected the quality of care and treatment of lawful Americans in those emergency rooms, especially in the border states where there are six hour waits in many hospital, especially during winter due to all the illegals there waiting for treatment for cases of the flu.

And I'm not speaking of the "swine flu" either, that strain that has suddenly now appeared during this recession, just as it did during the 1970's recession in order to bulk up Wall Street and the pharmeceutical industries and financial wheelers and dealers once again, at the American public's expense.

Washington is getting oh so predictable on their terrorism tactics in order to bulk up their favored industries and Wall Street's bottom lines at his point. In conjunction with the world bankers and WHO.

At least to the boomer's who have seen this all before.

I'm speaking of the 24 hour stomach flu, or regular flu, in which those illegals rush to the emergency wards for their free health care, while auto accident victims, or those with true medical emergencies are waiting in line for treatment, since Uncle Sam's reimbursements and provisions for those illegals exceeds most of those of the citizens paying megabucks for some of those policies in their provisions, or at least in the amount of paperwork involved and screening and complications with many hospital going through the pre-approval processes for insurance patients prior to treatment.

As a non-Republican or Democrat, it would appear obvious this entire incident again is being used for political reasons and not seen for the truth in what Mr. Wilson actually stated. Which was, after all, the truth. And he didn't state it by half actually, as a former 45 year border resident can attest.

But I do wonder if he is up for re-election in 2010 unless he truly was clueless that the federal government already provides illegal immigrant emergency care.

Mr. Wilson should have stated the obvious.

And when a public official of Mr. Obama's stature is misrepresenting facts to the public in a nationally held press conference called merely to gain sympathy and support for his unconstitutional program (which it also is, fundamentally), I don't think Mr. Wilson's claimed "outburst" addressed the violative nature of this legislation on the rights of the people by half.

And political correctness actually has contributed to where we are today. And not calling a spade a spade.

Or treason for the treason it actually is.

You go, Joe.

After all, the founders would have been actually calling for the dueling pistols at this point with some of the treason that is now going on at the Hill "progressively" by both of the global socialist parties now in office, the Republicans and Democrats.

But in the long view since it appears Mr. Wilson actually averted the obvious, it appears there was a political agenda and media reason for this "outburst," since even Mr. Wilson should know that in Congress attempting to inflict an additional tax on the American people such as this public health care option would entail to begin with, our Constitution requires a whole lot more than simply town hall type meetings in order to afford Washington to so do.

So it appears this "outburst" was a bi-partisan spin again, without truly addressing the crux of the matter and in order mainly to detract and deflect from the Constitutional abridgement it truly is, without the "consent of the governed" and going through the amendment process to so do in another "property" taking of the American people in the name of what is no more than industry corporate welfare and a governmental power move in taking what is and has been a state matter under federal control instead and then masked as "health care deform."

Probably also with state government support, in order for them also then to gain additional taxpayer revenues for discretionary purposes, since the existing costs to the taxpayers at this point hasn't even been mentioned in whether any rebates can be expected in state taxation.

If history proves consistent, since even with those "stimulus" monies they are still claiming poverty in a great many, don't hold your breath America.

And as with the "mortage foreclosure rescue" it appears the exact same negligence again is occurring with these "solutions," in not at all addressing the actual problems which resulted in this scenario to begin with. Merely the symptoms.

And Washington then either taking them over in "buyouts," or throwing money at the culprits for more profit.

The gist of the matter is this as to why we are where we now are at this point in history.

Washington's continued failure to abide by the "Rule of Law" and actually effectively regulate these corporate commercial organizations benefitting at the public's expense and their policies and practices, rather than continuing, year after year instead, to get in bed with them and giving them corporate welfare and privileges and immunities that they are in no way "lawfully" entitled to from the outset.

ObamaCare: No More Than Federal Actuary Tax and Power Move?

In all the discussions and propaganda that was spun by the federal mouthpieces at those townhalls, it amazed me also the choice and spins that were done by the mainstream media outlets and networks on what can only be described at its most basic level as another move by Washington to centralize more and more power in DC than at the state levels, in inflicting what is nothing more than a "Federal Actuary Tax" and not providing and performing its regulatory functions over commerce, but taking over health care delivery and provision in this country for almost all citizens, especially those past the age of 55 or 60.

Since most average Americans due to the rate increaes that occur as you age and are more "at risk" of developing medical problems or difficulties due to actuarial tables and common sense are unable to afford private coverage, unless independently wealthy or employed by one of those service sector providers.

Thus, nothing more really than a Federal Actuary Tax at its most fundamental, since at the present time there is catastrophic care and provision for children, the indigent, handicapped, and those with chronic conditions provided by every state in this union.

Although, of course, there is dual taxation on the costs for those programs in all but the five states for which there is no personal income tax at the state level. Although those states have chosen to provide those sums in other ways and through other taxation. Mostly what are known as "sin" taxes on alcohol and cigarettes. Which is also a little known motivation also behind those that are now behind legalizing marijuana throughout the nation.

It is simply another way to open a market for the pharmaceutical industry for their "branding" and packaging costs, and also means to gain more state and federal taxation in the process in the form of those "sin" taxes.

Not a word has been spoken about whether or not state taxes will be reduced for those sums now collected which fund these programs. So, all appearances to the contrary, it would appear the state legislatures are also publicly supporting those that are opposed to this heinous legislation on the one hand, while privately most serving on those legislatures are the biggest proponents of this legiation in some for or another.

So that the states then also benefit in the additional source of accountable revenue they would then have access to for their NGOs and discretionary expenditures.

And, of course, those that do admit to having such a motivation also, point to the added police, fire protection or school revenue which would be available. Which, of course, historically such moves to transfer unconstitutionally authority for state issues and matters have not gone into funding those state public services at all, merely also their "sovereign subject" political campaign backers and special interest groups.

And Washington and this Administration and Congress are taking it one step further even than that. Placing themselves in the position then of administrators on a federal concocted "preferred provider list" also in order to pay back national and global interests at the cost of those small insurers and groups that provide plans at the state level. Again attempting to centralize more power in DC, and less at the state level and small businesses and emerging companies in the health care provision sector.

Which is why Mayo is now nationwide at this point, and these "health care networks" are also spreading throughout the country at a rapid pace.

And if these industries have such massive profits that they are able to afford K Street lobbyists for their industries to begin with, isn't that a clue that the costs that are being now charged for health care provision bear absolutely no relevance at all to "reasonable" profit or the true costs of delivery of those services?

What is needed is regulation of the plans which are sold, and corporate interests who have been using their profit margins in order to gain more and more access to the American people's wallets using their own physical health and existence in order to profit for the industry greed and corporate self-interests.

And more would go into public health careers also if the amounts of tuition charged at our state and public universities also bore relevance to the true costs of those educations, since most of those colleges are funded with property tax revenues and other taxes - and as such, the children of those that are funding that university are now being charged close to what private universities in the past charged for higher education.

This solution, as the "rescue" of the banks due to that manipulated crisis, auto industry "takeover" and Washington joint venture, and foreclosure "remedy" which was nothing more than feeding the Federal Reserve bank branches as "agents" to negotiate those foreign investors debts and flip American homeowners properties for bank additional gain and profit, is another convenient excuse for Washington to use the American citizens health corporate gain.

And "create" more taxpayer paid government jobs in the process in order to create more debt for the Federal Reserve and Wall Street financial sector's also eventual profit.

In inflicting on the now many homeless, after that "Cap and Trade" scam in order to also feed a new Wall Street "gambling" venture for the venture capitalists in this country, now a Federal Actuary Tax and nothing really more.

And the federal and state collusion in the negligence and hands off approach to major corporate industries for their welfare is simply now coming home to roost. But the "quick fix" again in this instance, will simply lead to higher costs, and more loss of American life in the process deemed "expendable" by the new Obama created position, "God," in charge of yet another independent regulatory agency unaccountable to Congress, by and large, in any manner whatsoever.

Like the IRS, but even much more dangeous as a true public safety threat. And another extra-Constitutional power move in federalism, rather than the founders original form of government as framed within our Constitution, Constitutional Republicanism.

I would like to know who is overseeing Harvard's Law School curriculum and most others now in this country, the British?

Commercial Stakeholders Wrote ObamaCare, Remember?

To Any And All Constitutional Conservative Americans:

This week while all the mass media attention has been now focused on the death of the liberal Ted Kennedy and his "contributions" to American politics, much is being used also with respect to his fight for "health care reform" printed by the mainstream media.

What? And Why?

Massachusetts is one state that already has a socialized "comprehensive" health care program which was enacted under Mitt Romney, another liberal, so at a loss why now there is all this focus on Kennedy's fight for health care reform when, as a federal legislator, his true constituency and concerns had already been addressed at the state level in providing such care for those who are unable to get insurance, or for catastrophic needs.

As has every single state in the union now such health care plans, funded by state taxation at varying levels and accountable then much more at a local level as intended by the founders for such legislation as this.

This legislation does appear nothing more at this point than a "Health Care Actuary Tax" and another move to centralize more power in Washington, than at the state level per Constitutional intent. Congress's main duties in domestic matters are limited, after all, to regulation of commercial interests at the public's expense, not consulting with the commercial interests ("stakeholders" in the now politically correct redefinition) for their benefit and welfare at the public's expense.

The new buzzword now being used for political correctness in more and more legislation for the commercial special interests lobbying for more and more share of the public's purse in government welfare appears to be "stakeholders."

Stakeholders are being consulted on the border issue now also by Ms. Napolitano's office. And just who are these "stakeholders" that are being consulted? Certainly not the victims or their families who have been robbed of their lives and property progressively during the past twenty years since the first Reagan amnesty passed also without addressing the open borders situation or criminal "hoppers", but the big businesses and commercial interests actually profiting off of the open borders.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce members, and gadget industries of Silicon Valley most of all. And, of course, the illegal immigrant focused special interest groups like LaRaza.

Whose only real apparent interest stepped up when some of those state level employer sanctions laws were being placed on ballots in the Southwest due to the American citizen initiatives initiated by many of the literally thousands of victims of illegal immigrant crimes over the past two decades, which concerned them greatly as a threat to many also Latino businesses which also hire them or could be penalized. Or apparently some of that motivation I'm sure can be traced to simply wishing to get some of their relatives off the couch and into homes of their own.

Since without those borders being secured, those illegals would be dumb to take Uncle Sam up on such an offer.

To do so most likely would result in losing those "jobs Americans don't want in construction, manufacturing, agriculture and technology now to next month's new crop of illegals or even a number of those bulk foreigner work visa imports, and that new cheap housing they were able to qualify for in the process due to the depression in the market which has been manipulated this past four years in order for them to qualify, relieving them then of their savings for those junk fees and heavy front end costs for the "creative" loans which are still being sold since the true cause of what occurred has not been addressed in the slighest by either this or the last Administration.

Simply American taxpayer money and more debt incurred for the Fed bankers and to pump up those banks stocks on Wall Street and in order to use those banks as the government's agents to "buy down" those foreign investor debts at the American people's and those homeowners expense and flip those properties to potentially you new non-English speaking patsies.

Nothing more than a massive governmental Ponzie scheme, as it were.

So when you hear the term "stakeholder" used by the federal government with respect to upcoming legislation, substitute the words "taxpayer welfare recipient" and "government joint venture co-conspirator and state actor" instead.

In order to be truly "politically correct."

ObamaCare: The Snake In The Grass Rears Its Ugly Head

In listening to Barack Obama's Western "Sell ObamaCare" tour, as a child of the 1950's and 1960's, the only impression that I had listening to a small fraction of his hard sell spiel in the various Western states on this ludicrous legislation in its current form is to that of the old Al Wilson song, "The Snake" ("Take me in, tender woman....take me in for goodness sake").

Since the lyrics are copyrighted but are on the internet for "educational purposes," I'll leave it to the reader to do that research on their own.

The most egregious portion of this legislation actually is one that has not been brought up in any significant manner whatsoever during the public townhalls that Congressional members have been conducting across the nation in order to also propagandize the entire unconstitutional focus of this legislation and Washington power move.

And according to the 9th Amendment, would appear to undertake such an action at all would take a formal amendment of the Constitution, with the "consent of the governed," given voice and vote as not at all within the parameters of Washington's enumerated powers even in light of the abridgements which resulted in both Franklin's New Deal with respect to Social Security, and many other power moves since then in violation of it.

Social Security, after all, was original presented to the public as a "temporary" measure due to World War II, and also was to provide for orphans, widows, children and the affirmed most of all from that war. And ease this country back also from the stock market crash and depression which preceded it after World War I.

And there were at that time lids on eligibility as understanding that those that had profited then from those wars, should help pay the costs in both blood and treasure that were the result as a Godly nation. Of course, those wars too were manipulated for bank profits also most of all and debts from World War I actually also lead to World War II.

Right now there does exist in all 50 states already catastrophic coverage for all citizens who are either unable to afford private health care coverage, or are uninsurable for any reason. So in effect all this is really is another method in order to centralize more and more power in Washington, and less and less local accountability to state citizens in the process and gain more revenue for the states for discretionary purposes - along with the corporate entities that will also profit.

Within the stimulus and tied into this legislation is the establishment of a National Health Care Database using Bill Gate's technology and college grant monies to students in order to input all Americans health records into a "Big Brother" database.

If you think straightening out your credit report is next to impossible when it is inaccurate or there has been any "identity theft," just imagine the potential for error or mistaken identity on a national database of your personal medical information. Or that such a database in the future could be used against you for future unrelated reasons.

You think this is Obama's definition of "scare tactics?"

If history serves and never more so than in recent history, the "rights" of the public and citizens under our Bill of Rights is not at all recognized by either the legislative officials at federal or state levels even, nor the judiciary. Rather, the new buzzwords in order to deny or disparage those rights have been "in the interests of public safety" or "state interests."

In other words, the "corporate" not "individual" rights at all.

Just imagine how those corporate lobbyists will eventually gain access to those records under progressive legislation in order to deny employment to those with chronic (although not work related) health conditions such as AIDs, HIV, asthma, heart murmur, previous cancer treatments, addiction counseling, etc.

Just imagine how lawyers special interest groups, one of the most active group of lobbyists bar none for their welfare, can then also eventually gain access to those records without warrants or subpoenas for civil or criminal actions.

Just where is the supposed largest "civil rights" organization, the ACLU right now? Probably helping the lawyers write this 1,000 for their eventual "corporate" welfare. I wonder how much the taxpayers costs will increase now also in order to handle all these potential civil rights abridgement cases once that behemoth database and its bugs start to rear their ugly head in denied coverages, loss of life, etc.

Those costs are nowhere in the economic projections that I can determine.

What Mr. Obama is clearly asking is the American people to deny history.

What happened when so many Americans were the victims of the abusive practices of the IRS in their out of control pursuit of Americans for past due taxes, even for sums that were not taxes at all but simply agency determined interest or penalties?

Washington merely created another "agency" called the Taxpayer Advocacy Office that is nothing more than another branch of the federal government and also a benefactor of tax collection. It did not provide adequate oversight or regulation of the IRS in any manner whatsoever, even though there is much debate to this day about the 16th Amendment and how it was ratified "without the consent of the governed" for taxation of the people's income and diametrically opposed to the founder's intent for taxation in this nation.

Skirting around in providing that these extra taxes would be technically indirect taxation through corporate employers doesn't erase the inherent Constitutional violation such legislation entails. It is not within the original parameters of the Constitution, and is a seizure of wages (property) for governmental purposes most of all at its most basic level transferring the fruits of their labor back to Washington's "sovereign" governmental contractors and "approved" providers. And violative of the Bill of Rights with respect to even religious provisions for many, not to mention "search and seizure" of personal and private records by federal personnel without any recourse for misuse or access with respect to that federal database.

What did Washington do after all the complaints of citizens on the practices of collection agencies and the credit reporting bureaus in their unregulated practices?

Simply provide legislation that allows citizens to file a two sentence "dispute" of items contained in the report, which are sent to the reporting agency for their "version," which for all intents and purposes was no solution at all. Especially against the agencies which rebundled debts and continued to attempt to collect even on satisfied principal balances attempting to then gain more sums each time those debts were resold for their own profit.

Obama is attempting to actually reassure a younger generation that does not remember that Washington's word with respect to legislation such as ObamaCare and a host of others has been about as trustworthy as The Snake's.

Case in point: the foreclosure "rescue" which already has proved it was more for the banks and lenders, than the defrauded homeowners who are being stalled while collecting all those bogus fees included in those contracts and even more for the services of mortgage advisors and "new" appraisals, prior to carrying out those eventual foreclosures in order for the banks and realtors to get most of those properties on the cheap in order to flip for their profits.

So next time the Snake charmers come to your town, or Mr. Obama makes another of his folksy speeches, our younger generation might remember the addage that was the battle call of their parents generation upon which Mr. Wilson's song actually was based and had political ramifications for many.

The "Don't Trust Anyone Over 35 Mantra" was directly related to politicians and politicos during that era of the first true pre-emptive war. It might be expanded to now include politicians that use scare and terrorism tactics themselves in order to forment their political agendas.

The history in this country which has brought us to where we are now with respect to health care provision, is like the story of The Snake, proves that "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

It has been "progressive" power moves and Constitutional violations that have created this "crisis," after all.

Silly woman.

ObamaCare Goal: Centralizing More Power In Washington

Recently I have received several requests to attend TownHall meetings scheduled by Congressional members in order to "sell" their versions of ObamaCare to the public, and actually appear to be addressing citizens concerns with respect to this issue.

These TownHall meetings have now become the vogue for the Congressional members mostly to get some face and free air time before the public, and usually no more than opportunities to confound with their political agendas and excuses as a preface for their next runs for office with respect to contentious legislation - which ObamaCare is a prime example across the board in a great deal of its provisions with respect to America's Constitutional form of government and the huge potential costs to the public both for such an undertaking, and the administrative costs to boot.

Since, after all, there is catastrophic coverage for all citizens under most state plans which already exist in all 50 states. So this legislation to me and many others seems simply another example of the state and federal government attempting to bypass the citizens, centralize more power in Washington, and have another source of revenue at both levels in order to rape for discretionary expenditures.

I wonder if there will be any reduction in state taxation as a result of this plan, since that also has been left out of much of the discussion, just how high most citizens state taxes are also at this point for the state provided plans already in existence. And the states do use the federal government as a heavy for much of their own Constitutional violations for their agendas in discretionary expenditures for their favored industries and backers.

An unconstitutional taxation of the people, without representation since all consultation with respect to this "reform" has been behind closed doors with the "stakeholders" or industries that are, for the most part, responsible for the high cost of health care in this country today.

Below is my response to one such "invitation" who is a lawyer by profession:

Well, at least one not using the Christian Church as a backdrop for this treasonous legislation.

As previously indicated, the only power Congress has with respect to health care legislation is to do its job, and that is to insure freedom and protect the people from the abusive practices of these mega-conglomerate industries.

Not the "jobs and the economies" of the providers, but their practices and abuses which have lead to this. Corporatization of medicine has lead to 24 hour mastectomies and childbirths which have placed us now below Cuba in the infant survival rate in this country.

And factory line operations where there are more and more medical malpractice claims due to doctors having to do 12 or more operations a day. During my mother's recent heart surgeries, her cardiologist had seven operations scheduled back to back (and he was from South America, not a native born American and one of the "imports" for "science and technology" due to the fact that most medical clinics are also hiring foreign doctors who they can pay less due to the lesser tuition rates they have to pay in their countries for their educations, or further their currency stretches in ours for a U.S. education - such as many from India and South America). Seven heart surgeries back to back!!!

1. Establish a national complaint system as "interstate" commerce on insurers that are incorporated in more than one state in the country, or globally such as Zurich (Farmers) for citizen complaints of denied claims, hike or jack up rates without provocation which aren't based on claims made or ridiculous increases over the cost of living increase, agents who sell a policy but refuse to act as go between with the claims office for those commissions; internet regulation of commercial insurers advertising over the internet (free speech aside, corporations have no such right and consumer fraud is not free speech).

Also this database should be accessible to insurers and citizens for complaints on doctors who abuse the system by double billing or for tests not done acessible to both citizens and insurance companies for consumer fraud prosecution if willful and repeated; procedures and three strike rules for removal of licenses at the state level for doctors found guilty of gross negligence to protect the public, which is the real need, since million dollar awards under those punitive damage awards given since those lids were removed simply means that every five years that doctor is back in business during a 30 year career, or after mulitiple claims within five.

Doctors should also have access if insurers refuse treatments after prior approval, etc. Not inputting the citizens health care records, but protecting the citizenry from the industry abuses which lead to this.

2. Reinstating in codified law the common law on punitive damages that was removed by the TLA due to their greed (and YOUR industry), so more go into obstetrics and public health.

3. The complaint system should also be available for those supplemental carriers such as AARP when they do not pay off, or deny picking up costs which are not covered under any primary or government plan such as Medicare, when it is clearly provided in THEIR policies. They are using technicalities to deny claims after the primary carrier denies them in order to skirt around paying off on those claims.

Every single Congressman and Senator on the Hill is in violation of campaign finance laws at this point, and guilty of treason after the GM bailout, bank bailouts, and stimulus giving privileges and immunities to sovereign subject industries at the public's ultimate expense. You can't have a representative government when representatives are being elected by out of district PAC and commericial organizations, and thus not true representatives of the people at all.

In fact, any such legislation as is being proposed is blatantly unconstitutional in its current form. AND YOU KNOW IT.

AARP: Voice Of Seniors, Or Senior Commecial Providers?

For Any And All Conserve-ative Constitutionalists:

It has been interesting to note just how much press has been give in the health care reform nightmare in mentioning that the needs of senior citizens are being addressed in that one of the groups that Obama and this Congress has included is the AARP (American Association of Retired Persons).

Years and years ago, AARP was formed in order to be an organization primarily in order to address any and all legislation with respect to senior Americans as a resource site and public forum for senior concerns.

However, that has not been the case now for several decades, and is now more of a trade group of vendors which market their wares through AARP offering discounted rates for their services.

Hence, AARP is one of the largest sellers of supplemental insurance plans now marketed to senior citizens since the advent of medicare and medicaid under those governmental bare bones health care plans. And thus would be fundamentally supportive of any legislation in the government retaining or gaining more profit or control in and of the health care industry and representing its various vendors and not senior citizens at all in that respect. Most of those supplemental plans never do have to provide for any costs of care, since right now under medicare the government has the say as the primary care provider, and most of those supplements now are merely backups which are no backups at all when it comes to the more expensive treatments which are needed for heart conditions or cancer, the two most common diseases which occur to citizens in late middle or older age.

You do need to pay for their membership fees for those discounts, so in affect it is a commercial organization marketing to seniors, not a representative of them.

So the media's use of this organization also in order to foster some sort of false legitimacy that Washington is taking into consideration this legislation from a citizen and consumer standpoint is again mere propaganda

The Gates "Case": Beer Diplomacy Or Just Suds?

For Any And All Constitutional Conserve-atives:

Another story beaten to death by the mainstream media and the Obama Administration came to a conclusion Thursday at the White House with Mr. Obama, Mr. Biden, Dr. Gates and the Cambridge police officer who "arrested" Dr. Gates purportedly due to a "crime in progress" call he received at the Gates residence having a cold one for all the news cameras.

With all the spin that has been occurring in the mainstream media, much of which since 9/11 has left much to be desired in the way of factual journalism and which act more as media reps for "their" politicians due to Big Business corporate ownership and who merely play off each other with respect to political news on the Hill, even the details of this supposed "crime" have been questionable.

Starting with the fact that it has now been reported it was a "senior citizen" who made the call. I'll let that one go for now, since it appears now the seniors are going to be brought into this political circus perhaps for poor eyesight in not recognizing Dr. Gates in the middle of the afternoon, mind you.

The spins on this "story" have been just too incredible to believe at this point.

And appears at least in my educated opinion watching how this has progressed now for almost a week and a half, this was a staged event being used for political purposes most of all. Especially now that even Colin Powell was on Larry King putting in his two cents with respect to supposedly a dereliction of protocol in that an "adult supervisor" (or SWAT negotiator?) hadn't been called in to mediate.

Mr. Obama has been losing points fast with the American public, especially in light of his "solutions" which have not been solutions at all per his campaign rhetoric but simply continuations of the same agendas and even upping the civil rights violations now on the American people of the Bush Administration.

Other than calling for closing Guantanamo he is really 0-3 on his promises to end the war, look out for Joe the Plumber and the middle class (tell that one to the laid off GM workers in Detroit, I dare you), and solving the mortgage mess and crisis.

There was just something a little strange about the "convenience" of this entire incident, and the amount of press it received for my liking. And it appears a good many other Americans also. Good way to shift the pressure and heat off the Hill for the next tax scam on the American people, the L. Ron Hubbard/George Orwell "Science Based" Universal Health Care Plan.

And also keep the racial thing alive as a diversionary tactic and method to use to facilitate civil unrest since civil unrest means the government can use it also as an excuse for much of its extra-Constitutional now security measures against Americans so long as they can keep the fear factor alive.

Inciting civil unrest actually is how many communist leaders and governments came to be. And just why aren't our own borders secured, or some of these foreign individuals from Middle Eastern countries with active terrorist cells not simply deported at this point?

Or, in fact, since America is still at war (although never called Constitutionally or "legally" declared under Bush or that Congress) then why aren't all non-green card holders deported at this point until we have ended this "conflict" or "engagement" or whatever the heck it is since it appears those on the Hill have about as much clue as the American people why we are STILL now eight years later over there?

And all foreign entry visas denied until it is?

After all, I'm sure Mr. Powell is aware of this. After any attack on any military installation in this country is it not SOP that the "base" is locked down until any additional threats are addressed, and all passes then denied to any and all entering or leaving the base until the crime is solved and perpetrators brought to justice? The military bases in this country actually have far greater "common defense" provisions than our entire country - especially for those living in the border states most of all due to the criminal activity, theft and violent crimes that can be directly tied to it.

Many Americans could sure use those jobs.

I know, the finale for "So You Think You Can Dance" is next week and Nigel and that other British MC just might have to miss it and the shows producers and network would then have to get an American replacement that might result in a point or two drop in the ratings.

That health care "solution" in appointing a Health Care "God" using actuarial tables for treatment plans is looking more and more like the "science based" Cap & Trade scam which was propagandized to the hilt, and quite obviously meant to feed the Wall Street bankers for that carbon credit market that will be initiated on the backs of the American public in higher utility bills that wipe out that little crumb of a tax rebate and credit thrown out at election time.

Especially now when those inflationary taxes and utility bills start soaring off the charts, in addition to the continued loss of jobs and homes that is still escalating.

I wonder how many members of Congress are heavily invested in energy development and utility companies. Or for that matter Wall Street itself. Maybe 100%?

And then the "spins" on the Beer Summit being a "teachable moment" for America and America's children.
Please.

Does Mr. Obama and those serving now in our federal government in all three branches truly think that they are examples that America's children should use for role models? A Commander in Chief that speaks of transparency, while hiring three law firms to prevent disclosure of his birth or academic records in order to even verify that he meets the minimum qualifications of the Office of the Presidency?

A Supreme Court that has gotten increasing more and more political and sovereign favoring in its rulings with respect to Americans Bill of Rights protection, and has refused over six legal challenges to Obama's citizenship status?

And A Congress that just engaged in a "sleight of hand" in order to also circumvent all those challeges in using a bogus "Resolution" congratulating Hawaii on its 50th anniversary as a state by including a cute little sentence introducting this Resolution with respect to Mr. Obama's birth again without any clear evidence or documentation, in order to also deny the people their right to review the evidence that Obama meets those absolutely minimal requirements (although clear that his status, from the founders "intent" with respect to that provision would clearly make him a foreigner and not "natural born" or "naturalized" American at all, due to reasons behind that provision itself, and their intent in so providing).

Forget the next Beer Summit. Our taxpayer dollars would be better spent in group therapy for those holding federal office, and would assist in at least minimally reducing that federal deficit and taxpayer bite that already has left more Americans homeless and jobless than at any time since the Depression.

Do I hear "Cheers" out there in the South, West and Midwest?

Obama and Congress's Non-Universale Health Care Plan: Are States Ceding Powers?

What is now being presented in "politically correct" terms as is being reported on the universal health care plans now being "hatched" in Washington is nothing more than using "politically correct" corporate logic and analogy to justify a plan under which the Nazi's operated.

Evaluate life on a cost/benefit ratio, and genetic superiority by subjective criteria. And that criteria will be some lackey in Washington trained as an actuary according to the health care provider (since this will be a huge government contract, I would imagine that it will be Warren Buffett and AIG, the global insurer "bailed out" on the backs of the American people that get the contract, in another public/private partnership to "stimulate" the global economy and as payback for Mr. Buffett's campaign support of a great many of those on the Hill over the years no matter which party "officially" was in office, since he has expressed interest in expanding his empire to global investment as recently as two to three years ago).

And Buffett is a zero population growth guy (although has three children of his own, so zero growth must not apply to those who consider themselves as genetically superior and apparently own businesses that provide fundamental "life" costs and owe their very livelihoods to the public as now more a financial services company than a solely publicly funded "product" which it is).

What is needed is regulation over the health care industry, which was actually circumvented under Nixon who allowed medicine to be corporatized with that HMO concept. Which has resulted in Boards of Directors, rather than doctors, now determining levels of treatment. And the "caps" placed back on punitive damages for medical malpractice awards that stood at the treble levels under the common law throughout our nations history until the TLA went across the country getting those lids removed for their own "welfare."

Not getting into bed with the unions and insurers, or taking over health care which is determined then by the "distant ruler." And also evaluating just why it is that the costs to train new doctors has far exceeded the cost of living and bears no relevance at all to the actual costs.....since the taxpayers themselves fund those universities in which they are trained.

This is a nightmare, and all those that think this is a solution, you are talking Orwell here now.

Not to mention that even at its most basic level, the entire socializing of our health care is actually not at all a governmental function under our existing law, the U.S. Constitution.

What is needed is what the founders provided. Strict regulation of those national and global insurers, and also better oversight of doctors independent of the AMA, and also breaking up those "monopolies" and health care networks that are using business models now in order to evaluate health care provision, and incompetent and morally challenged doctors who are supplementing their practices and services for governmental cut rate costs by upping their charges on the insureds and those who they profile CAN afford the higher costs.

Some of their support staff know how to work those health insurance forms to the max, and are actually given bonuses if they reach certain quotas set by these health care networks and mega doctor's practices.

Neither business models, nor governmental actuaries have any moral fibre or background. And if anything this is not an "industry" at all, it is a basic service that is a need at one time or another for all Americans.

So the lax oversight of this industry and favoritism for the health care leeches such as the unions and providers is what has lead to this. And Nixon's crap with the HMO concept, and over-inflated costs to train new doctors for the banker's profit margins which makes most of them bankrupt before they even begin their practices.

But I think what is being missed by most Americans is that whether or not to provide or "socialize" health care really is a state issue, not a federal one at all. That is why the local governments were to be the most powerful, not the federal government for such matters as public education, and health costs.

And that the states are voluntarily ceding their power to the federal government, all representations in the 10th Amendment movement to the contrary. Because then the states don't have to come up with those "matching sums" and then have more of the public purse to spend on unaccountable and pork projects for their campaign backers.

So I think the true picture here is being obscured by both Congress and the media reports. Because right now the feds are already providing health care for the underinsured and less fortunate, and also now even "illegal" and non-Americans. This "universal" health care that Obama is proposing is nothing more than putting another party, the federal government, now DIRECTLY involved in determining care, rather than the state.

And Americans will have no recourse then other than suing the federal government if denied coverage, and there is a federal statute that provides only for the reimbursement for the actual demonstrated losses, not punitive damages or even the costs or bringing the suit itself. This entire plan will remove actually any and all accountability for health care provision from insurers and also the medical community. Which is why, also all "public faces" to the contrary, the medical community and insurers are also behind it.

That way the insurers can also sell those "supplemental plans" at ridiculous rates, but then fail to pay on them and blame the federal government (the primary insurer) for the denial of also their provision if the federal government denies the coverage.

The truth is actually much more Machiavellian than what is being portrayed. And the headlines so far really tell it all. It is "cut rate" and loss/benefit care, and it appears the boomer generation is one which the federal government would like to get rid of at the earliest opportunity. And also those that are not productive, and each successive generation thereafter.

Until pretty soon, the life expectancy in this country will eventually equal the birth rate survival and be less than third world countries.

I just love that NO ONE ever thinks to examine just why in most of these areas we now are where we are with respect to health care, and our economy. No one examines our history to see how veering from the Constitution and Constitutional intent, has brought us to where we are.

And I disagree on the economy. The reason things haven't "picked up" is because the market is speaking, and by that I mean the American people. Who would buy a home today with the way those loans are written, since the terms of the loans which also created this disaster have not been addressed or changed in some of their usurous terms and rates?

Nothing has changed, Obama is simply attempting to entice the new home buyers and refinancing in order to trap another generation in the boom and bust cycle -which is the fault of the unregulated and uncontrolled Federal Reserve and its policies.

No one is buying into the stock market, because Obama and Congress proved that when push comes to shove, it is the unions and foreign investors that are protected, not the individual American investor.

Do you really think these lessons have not been lost on most educated or aware Americans? And how many that have lost their homes now can qualify for new ones, what with the lack of regulation also over the credit reporting services?

These guys are in their own bubble. The market is speaking, and so are the Americans. We aren't buying your products because you are all a bunch of scam artists.

The people have spoken.